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majoho · Jul 11, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

@OP this isn't just aonther endless level RPG, go play one of those if that's what you're looking for.

Nexium · Jul 11, 2006, 01:16 PM // 13:16

this really anoy's me it's always buhuh lvl20 too low well cry me a f-ing river the game aint about spending a month just lvl'ing it's about caping skill's and team work,why do you want it too be some crapy version of WoW?
better yet play something else!
you d know if thet raise the lvl cap we whould have outrages hp and attack's that do 500-900+Dmg that just suck's..

Minus Sign · Jul 11, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51

I strongly disagree that you can't keep tweeking your character or that 1 lvl 20 is as good as any other of the same profession/alt.

People spend hours farming for money in this game for perfect weapon mods for a PvE character to compete in PvP or more easily pass hard missions and farm. many Runes are expensive for a reason: they boost attributes, health or damage reduction beyond what an non-runed lvl 20 could get.

Instead of the constant search for level 50 and the uber skills/weapons and armor that give me 100 DPS, its all about squeezing 1 more hitpoint out of the system, tweeking my build just that little bit more that makes it sing so sweetly. You want to craft items? Buddy, I craft CHARACTERS!

I think the obsession with higher levels and grind is just misplaced disgruntlement. If you want grind, farm gold and items. If you want to show off, take your tricked out lvl 20 to an early mission and nubstomp Grawls/Stricken enemies for free (all the younglings have to do is listen while you Ctrl+click your greens at them). Uber level 50 abilites? End game Elites. they're hard to get because they're better with preffered skills, not just random chance.

there's plenty of things people who like grind can do to enhance their PvE character. Just not the same thing, day in, day out, same place, same people to the point that by the time you leave that area you never want to come back. Except THK. No one wants to go back there...at least, none of the other in-game masocists I've met...

My warrior is the same warrior i've had since the first week I bought the game, and I'm still in constant search for those little touches that will make her pwn just a little more with the next build I or another pwerson comes up with.

When you think about it that way? Life begins at level 20.

Stedoc · Jul 11, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52

alright alright u guys r right.. dont get me wrong i love them game but i see what u guys mean

thanks

frickett · Jul 11, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05

I really like leveling up my characters. I like the process. For me it is about the journey, not the destination. Even though I have Factions, I like the fact that you werent max level until like 2/3 of prophecy. If I wanted to start at max level I would play adventure games, not RPG's. But anyway. Yeah They have said that Level 20 as the max is something they dont plan on changing, Once you reach level 20 your character is fully trained, and ready to take on the world, or something like that.

wsmcasey · Jul 11, 2006, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Originally Posted by fiery

GW is not a grinding game.

You could not be further from the truth!

Sure, you don't have to "grind" if your happy and content with a white max damage weapon and substandard armor (Enjoy!). This is not the case for 99% of the Guild Wars population that plays PvE. The casual PvE and PvP player will not really experience "grind" if they decide that they want basically "nothing" from the game, but for everyone else there is "grind".

PvP Grind:
If you wana be good in PvP you need to grind faction to unlock the skills and mods necessary to compete with the best. You need to learn the skills and builds that you use and other players use. In order to compete with the best you need to prove yourself to others, make connections, and aquire a high enough rank to be accepted by other high ranking players and guilds. (otherwise you are ignored by the best and might as well play Random Arena). Its a massive grind in PvP just to aquire rank 3, and alot of people take the cheap way out and play IWAY to get there. I suppose GvG is a different story, but I'm sure it has it's fair share of grind and a lot of the same issues should apply.

PvE:
Your not getting FOW armor, 15k armor, or even 1.5k and collector armor without "grind".

Max damage gold rare weapons and greens require "grind" to get them. You either farm or trade for them, which can take a great deal of time, especially if your new to the game and have no gold to spend. Unfortunately this will lead most people to farming and trading which is major "GRIND". You might get lucky and get a perfect drop, but those are few and far between. Chest farming is also another way to go.

It's possible that Anet intended to make this game "grind free", but that just didn't happen. Don't try and tell me otherwise because you will be wrong.

I don't really care that much about exceeding the level cap past 20, but I would enjoy a few more character development options. Maybe if you could unlock special character features after obtaining a certain amount of experience, like the option to make you character look older and wiser. My level 20 warrior has 3mil exp, but still looks young and wet behind the ears.

Gorebrex · Jul 11, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

You could not be further from the truth!...
PvE:
Your not getting FOW armor, 15k armor, or even 1.5k and collector armor without "grind".

Got my collector armor with stuff I picked up while on quests, have leggings from Droks, Havent got tunic yet, probably wont bother with boots and gloves.

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

Max damage gold rare weapons and greens require "grind" to get them. You either farm or trade for them, which can take a great deal of time, especially if your new to the game and have no gold to spend. Unfortunately this will lead most people to farming and trading which is major "GRIND". You might get lucky and get a perfect drop, but those are few and far between. Chest farming is also another way to go.

My lvl 18 warrior has a purple max damage firey gladius, that Im perfectly happy with. I actually didnt know it was max damage untill I looked up max damages after finding a gold ebon hammer of defense. Someone asked if it was max, I didnt know, looked it up. If there was any grind involved, I didnt feel it. If getting "uber" items is your thing, fine, but it holds no real interest for me.

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Originally Posted by wsmcasey

It's possible that Anet intended to make this game "grind free", but that just didn't happen. Don't try and tell me otherwise because you will be wrong.
I don't really care that much about exceeding the level cap past 20, but I would enjoy a few more character development options. Maybe if you could unlock special character features after obtaining a certain amount of experience, like the option to make you character look older and wiser. My level 20 warrior has 3mil exp, but still looks young and wet behind the ears.

Id also like a few more options there. As to characters looking "older and wiser", how much time has really passed between first arriving in post sear and ascension, for example. It was only 2 years we were off with Rurik, hunting the boss monster(forgot name), so if characters start at 18, youd be 20 on first arriving in post.

wsmcasey · Jul 11, 2006, 04:08 PM // 16:08

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

Got my collector armor with stuff I picked up while on quests, have leggings from Droks, Havent got tunic yet, probably wont bother with boots and gloves.

because then it would be a grind.

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

If getting "uber" items is your thing, fine, but it holds no real interest for me.

And that fine. I can't speak for most players, but it's quite obvious that with the amount of trading going on that alot of players grind for the so called "uber" items. It's not necessarily my thing either, but I've played Guild Wars since its release last year and I don't think I could have been happy with the same old purple max damage item forever. Eventually you might want a change to something new or even better. You might luck out and get a good drop thats a better item, but chances are you will have to trade for the item that you really want, or farm for it if you can't afford it.

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Originally Posted by Gorebrex

Id also like a few more options there. As to characters looking "older and wiser", how much time has really passed between first arriving in post sear and ascension, for example. It was only 2 years we were off with Rurik, hunting the boss monster(forgot name), so if characters start at 18, youd be 20 on first arriving in post.

Maybe some different unlocks and upgrades possibly. New facial features and hair unlocks and other visual upgrades, maybe with jewelry! Introduce new runes that can be added to enhance weapons and armor in ways that will keep pvp and pve balanced yet still make your character unique. I think making your character unique is the really problem that I see. I've customized my characters to the best of my abilities, yet I still run into clones of myself all the time. I truly want my character to be different from anyone elses, but thats just not possible in this game.

Fungus Amongus · Jul 12, 2006, 12:19 AM // 00:19

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Originally Posted by Zakarr

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Originally Posted by Stedoc

so now that im at lvl 20 my guy cant get much better except armor and weapons.. kinda takes away the fun of building up ur character

Character building happens in your brains. Find out good skill combinations for different situations, train your timing, positioning, reaction speed and awareness. Communicate with your team.

Your character gets better when YOU learn rather than spending huge amount of time for grinding experience.

This is what's it's all about. It's not about your guy getting stronger, it's about you getting smarter.

PsychoX · Jul 12, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23

raising the level cap would be detrimental to the overall game... since it is about skill. it is balanced now... no need for 400 more attribute points.

squan · Jul 18, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

level 20 is good for GW. the game is way to small for higher levels.
Btw. you can go to lvl 20 in 1 day. if the max goes to lvl 40 its just 2 days extra farming XP.

btw the lvl is worthless. its the way how you use your skills. just see it as a puzzle. so many skills, but you can only use 8.

baz777 · Jul 18, 2006, 12:03 PM // 12:03

Getting a character to level 20 is the easy part.

Playing that character well - that's a much harder proposition!

I Mean I · Jul 18, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Kaguya

All skills would have to be rebalanced, since you could have pretty long enchants and stances at that amount of attribute points..

Z0mfG w00t? gladiator defense 30 sec doylak sig 50 sec!

wammo POWER !

Jul 11, 2006, 01:51 PM // 13:51	#23
Minus Sign Jungle Guide Join Date: Feb 2006 Profession: Mo/N	I strongly disagree that you can't keep tweeking your character or that 1 lvl 20 is as good as any other of the same profession/alt. People spend hours farming for money in this game for perfect weapon mods for a PvE character to compete in PvP or more easily pass hard missions and farm. many Runes are expensive for a reason: they boost attributes, health or damage reduction beyond what an non-runed lvl 20 could get. Instead of the constant search for level 50 and the uber skills/weapons and armor that give me 100 DPS, its all about squeezing 1 more hitpoint out of the system, tweeking my build just that little bit more that makes it sing so sweetly. You want to craft items? Buddy, I craft CHARACTERS! I think the obsession with higher levels and grind is just misplaced disgruntlement. If you want grind, farm gold and items. If you want to show off, take your tricked out lvl 20 to an early mission and nubstomp Grawls/Stricken enemies for free (all the younglings have to do is listen while you Ctrl+click your greens at them). Uber level 50 abilites? End game Elites. they're hard to get because they're better with preffered skills, not just random chance. there's plenty of things people who like grind can do to enhance their PvE character. Just not the same thing, day in, day out, same place, same people to the point that by the time you leave that area you never want to come back. Except THK. No one wants to go back there...at least, none of the other in-game masocists I've met... My warrior is the same warrior i've had since the first week I bought the game, and I'm still in constant search for those little touches that will make her pwn just a little more with the next build I or another pwerson comes up with. When you think about it that way? Life begins at level 20. Last edited by Minus Sign; Jul 11, 2006 at 02:07 PM // 14:07..

Jul 11, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02	#21
majoho Forge Runner Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Denmark	@OP this isn't just aonther endless level RPG, go play one of those if that's what you're looking for.

Jul 11, 2006, 01:16 PM // 13:16	#22
Nexium Krytan Explorer Join Date: Mar 2006	this really anoy's me it's always buhuh lvl20 too low well cry me a f-ing river the game aint about spending a month just lvl'ing it's about caping skill's and team work,why do you want it too be some crapy version of WoW? better yet play something else! you d know if thet raise the lvl cap we whould have outrages hp and attack's that do 500-900+Dmg that just suck's..

Jul 11, 2006, 01:52 PM // 13:52	#24
Stedoc Academy Page Join Date: Jan 2006 Profession: Me/R	alright alright u guys r right.. dont get me wrong i love them game but i see what u guys mean thanks

Jul 11, 2006, 02:05 PM // 14:05	#25
frickett Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2006 Guild: Shinigami Keys [SHIN] Profession: R/Mo	I really like leveling up my characters. I like the process. For me it is about the journey, not the destination. Even though I have Factions, I like the fact that you werent max level until like 2/3 of prophecy. If I wanted to start at max level I would play adventure games, not RPG's. But anyway. Yeah They have said that Level 20 as the max is something they dont plan on changing, Once you reach level 20 your character is fully trained, and ready to take on the world, or something like that.

Jul 12, 2006, 12:23 AM // 00:23	#30
PsychoX Academy Page Join Date: Mar 2006 Profession: W/Mo	raising the level cap would be detrimental to the overall game... since it is about skill. it is balanced now... no need for 400 more attribute points.

Jul 18, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28	#31
squan Banned Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rotterdam (The Netherlands) Guild: Rotterdam Pride Profession: Mo/	level 20 is good for GW. the game is way to small for higher levels. Btw. you can go to lvl 20 in 1 day. if the max goes to lvl 40 its just 2 days extra farming XP. btw the lvl is worthless. its the way how you use your skills. just see it as a puzzle. so many skills, but you can only use 8.

Jul 18, 2006, 12:03 PM // 12:03	#32
baz777 Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: South East England Guild: Leader: Lady Hairy Armpits S[mell] Profession: E/	Getting a character to level 20 is the easy part. Playing that character well - that's a much harder proposition!